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Teacher

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Monday, October 10th, 2011 1:24 AM

rfi into hd receiver

I am an amateur radio operator. I just recently upgraded to HD service and now have an RFI problem. My standard service dish was mounted on my radio towe and presented no issues at all. r, My new service is now mounted on t side of my house. When operating on 20 meters, I cause the boxes in the house to 'reset' and acquire signals again. This is annoying to no end. I have tested and found that this occurs even when the coax is disconnected from the boxes and also when the hdmi cable is disconnected as well. These use the 'brick' type power supplies which stink in my opinion. The dish was installed without any grounds whatsoever, nor was the junction block grounded, They are now and the issue is still present. There MUST be a solution here that someone knows about. please advise. thank you

 

james

ACE - Sage

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46.4K Messages

13 years ago

Sounds like an AC power sag or drop.  Have you tried using a UPS to power your DirecTV Receivers? That should keep the voltage up to par. 

Teacher

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13 Messages

13 years ago

someone on QRZ suggested cutting the green wire. Anyone know anything about this?

Expert

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13 years ago

It's pretty obvious to me you don't have enough AC power to run your transmitter.  Wouldn't prudence suggest you correct that rather than trying to jury rig your Directv system?  The UPS would isolate the DTV stuff so you wouldn't need to fix the power problem.

Teacher

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13 years ago

Obvious eh???? did you read my original post. The problem ONLY BEGAN AFTER UPGRADING TO HD.  For informational purposes only, my shack is located 100 ft from my house, and has a separate 50 amp service. Now, your solution is to put a UPS on my directv system because my radio transmitter doesn't have enough power to run it . is that right? Now it is OBVIOUS to me that you don't have any experience in amateur radio, my radio requires 13.8v DC just like most HF rigs, and I am supplying it with a 30amp Astron power supply with a full 120v ac, as checked by my inline voltage detector. Every station should have one of theseSealed.. Now to address the 'jury rigging' you mention, I don't want to jury rig anything, i want to fix it correctly. Now if you know what that correct procedure is, i would appreciate it very much. Now, upon further investigation, it turns out that the new receivers such as mine, have an internal RF ANTENNA, so that the remote can be used either by RADIO FREQUENCY OR INFRA RED. I'll bet dollars to donuts that the receivers antenna doesn't have adequate filtering to prevent this problem.   Now upon further pondering your suggestion that I may not be providing adequate power to the transmitter, I assume that you feel that I am 'dimming' my available power to the rest of the house, not so. Another difference between this new receiver and the previous receiver is the brick power supply, it is DC not ac as the other receiver was. could be an issue also, but don't believe so.
Quote: Originally Posted by dcd 

It's pretty obvious to me you don't have enough AC power to run your transmitter.  Wouldn't prudence suggest you correct that rather than trying to jury rig your Directv system?  The UPS would isolate the DTV stuff so you wouldn't need to fix the power problem.



ACE - Sage

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46.4K Messages

13 years ago

And it's obvious that you don't understand AC wiring basics if you think that "cutting the green wire" is a solution. That will leave you with a potentially dangerous grounding situation.  Don't do it.  

 

While we have seen a couple of prior reports of Ham operators reporting reception issues (pixelation, etc) when operating their transmitters, yours is the first describing actual rebooting of the DVR.  That suggests an AC power glitch or sag is causing the DVR to reboot.  Hence the recommendation to at least try a UPS to see if that helps.    Take it or leave it. 

Teacher

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13 years ago

alright fair enough, I've put on a UPS and no difference. However, again, referring to my initial post, I do not have a DVR, just a receiver, and I NEVER ACCEPTED THE CUTTING THE GREEN WIRE THEORY, I only said that someone else mentioned it, and I was asking if anyone here knew of that as a solution, and I didn't understand that the green wire was a ground, but possibly the internal rf antenna in the receiver( again, not dvr),. oh yeah,AND i HAVE READ THE FORUMS TOO. and mine is not the first with turning off the receiver, some have even complained of the rfi causing their DVR'S to start recording, or even changing channels etc.  oh yeah, just one more note, I stopped by the local directv office this morning to discuss my problem with their tech, and that dumbass had the gaul to tell me that the govt. was gonna ban ham radio's anyway, so don't worry about it. so, i guess that their solution is to tell me to forget my hobby. 

ACE - Sage

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13 years ago

Did any of those other reports you found point to any solutions?  The ones I've seen posted here before have only been solved by replacing the DVR with a different model.  Some are apparently more susceptible to RFI induced problems than others.  I'm not sure what else to suggest.  Perhaps a HAM Radio oriented Forum would  have other solutions to suggest. 

Teacher

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13 years ago

yes, I came to the same conclusion, different receiver needed, however, my local directv office says that there are no other receivers available, and if I want to change, i have to source my own, at my own expense. this is not acceptable, of course, i have the option of dropping HD and returning to standard definition television, again at my own expense. 

Tutor

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7 Messages

13 years ago

I just upgraded to HD andI have the same problem.  Also with an H25-500 HD receiver. Except when I pull the HDMI cable, the problem goes away. A field strength meter indicates a high level of rf around the power cord and the HDMI cable. I tried using the component video cables and the same thing happened. The dish input cable is low even though it is only inches away from the other cables.  My DVR has no problems.

The problem occurs when I key up on 40 meters over 25 watts. Other bands have no problem. I turn on my linear and go the full gallon without adverse affects. (wb2hvf)

Guru

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13 years ago

druliefw  as a ham also, I have worked with n5ad on his problem. (I do not know yet if it is sloved).  In your description, try put some farred beads on your reciever to tv cords. Let me know what happens.      cabletech03@hotmail.

Tutor

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13 years ago

I tried the beads. That didn't help.

I disconnected the outdoor TV antenna from the television and the problem went away. I then used a double static discharge arrestor in both the dish and the antenna cables thinking it might be a ground loop through the box, reconnecting the antenna to the television the problem returned. I also  tried to put the beeds on the outside antenna cable.

I can now use the box now with the off air antenna disconnected but this is unacceptable since DirecTv does not carry any secondary channels that are over air including "AntennaTV" (17.2), "This" (movies on 17.3), and other commercial and PBS secondary channels (Comcast and Verizon do but Verizon is not an option here). 

I have since found that as I walk around, even with the off air cable disconnected, it reset. I have added a bead to the HDMI cable and that seems to have corrected it..... for now anyway. We'll see.

Guru

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533 Messages

13 years ago

I forgot to ask in my earler post, what type of antenna are you useing that is giving you the most problems?   If it is a wire, try this, as it seams to have worked for some one else.

 

Using Quad RG6, what ever lenght you need to get to your high point, (yes, you will have to use a standard F connector with uhf adaptor),

solder  a #18 wire to EACH side of the other end and, connecting direct to the radio, no tuners, tune for the center of the band.

 

Now, with this antenna center tuned directly out of the radio, when you connect it thru what ever tuner you are using and the amp, you should not have any problem moving end to end in the band or with rfi.

 

I have a 20, a 40, a 80 and even a 160 that I build using this setup and have been running them for over 15 yrs with a PW1 amp and I have had no interferance of any kind not only to my own equipment, but to the neighbors as well. 

 

Also, make sure that each piece of radio equipment is directly connected to a ground buss bar with at the minuam a #18 wire, and then to a

a good ground using a #6 wire.

 

Hope this helps.

Tutor

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7 Messages

13 years ago

My problem has been resolved by the DirecTv tech.

 

He swapped the H25 box with an H24 box. 

It's a larger box but I made a test transmission on all my antennas, went to 500 watts and tried several bands and had NO problems.

All beads have been removed from the cables and the off air TV antenna is reconnected to the TV itself.

Before swapping the box the tech spent over an hour re-testing everything I had already done including a different power source.

Guru

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533 Messages

13 years ago

Glad to hear your problem is solved.

Teacher

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13 Messages

13 years ago

my problem is still occurring, and the local directv installer says that he cannot get older or any other boxes, told me to go buy one online. this is unacceptable.


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