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Wednesday, January 1st, 2020 5:08 PM

Alignment or LNB?

Happy New Year Folks! This is my first dish, hoping you could give me some help on why we’ve lost signal for some channels (like DisneyJr HD which is the most important channel in the house!). We had it installed in July (Genie HS17-500 connected via Ethernet to our modem/router and two wireless minis) and had no issues (except that we’ve never been able to watch a program from the beginning that’s already in progress even though our internet download speed is 30Mbps and the system says we should be able to). We had a storm a couple weeks ago with a little wind and our dish may have moved a little but I’ve fine tuned the azimuth and elevation (currently A:0, E:-19 Western North Carolina) and the best I can get is...

101

1-8 100...100...100...100...100...90...100...100

9-16 100...100...100...100...100...97...100...100

17-24 100...0...100...100...100...100...100...100

25-32 100...100...100...0...100...100...100...100

99(ca)

1-8 all N/A

9-16 95...95...96...96...95...95...95...95

17-24 95...95...95...95...95...95...95...95

25-32 all N/A

99(cb)

1-8 97...96...94...95...96...95...95...93

9-16 95...95...92...93...98...96...N/A...N/A

17-24 all N/A

25-32 all N/A

99(s)

1-8 77...31...95...26...48...68...50...0

9-16 all N/A except last two...48...98

17-24 — — — — — — — —

25-32 all N/A

103(s)

1-8 0...0...0...0...n/a...n/a...n/a...n/a

9-16 all n/a except last two...83...0

17-24 0...0...75...0...36...0...79...0

25-32 all n/a

103(ca)

1-8 39...0...44...0...42...0...47...0

9-16 73...0...88...0...92...0...83...0

17-24 87...0...82...0...86...0...0...0

25-32 all n/a

103(cb)

1-8 75...0...70...0...77...0...61...0

9-16 79...0...74...0...80...0...n/a...n/a

17-24 all n/a

25-32 all n/a

Whew! That was exhausting...

I’m pretty sure 103 is the problem but I don’t know what more to do and don’t want to screw it up! Choice package if it matters. Let me know if you need any more info. If it is the LNB, is there a warranty or am I on my own? And what would cause it to go bad so soon? Many thanks for your assistance!!!

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5 years ago

Nice troubleshooting!

You're missing all of the even-numbered transponders from the 103ºW satellite. This usually points to a problem with the dish LNB electronics. Rarely it's an issue with the Genie DVR tuner itself. Have you tried resetting the HS17?

You're beyond the 90-day installation warranty. If you subscribe to DirecTV's Equipment Protection Plan, they'll send a tech to diagnose and fix this for free. Otherwise a service visit costs $99. You can probably replace the LNB yourself for less than that, but it might not be the (Edited per community guidelines) cause.

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thanks for responding. I did reset the genie and both boxes before I moved the dish. What are the usual causes for the LNB to go bad? Do installers recycle equipment? I can’t imagine what else it would be. I thought every other transponder being zero was odd...

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The spot beams are on the 99S aand 103S

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5 years ago

Compared to mine, your 103 does seem odd. (But keep in mind, directv TV uses 'spot beams' for local channels, and if that channel/transponder is not for your area, you may get a 0).

The solution would be to contact directv, tell them the error message you're getting on that channel(s) & request service. (There may be a charge for service).

It could be alignment, cable, SWM (in the LNB), LNB, etc. (The 103 below 80 are also a bad sign)

As a bandaid (to preserve peace), you may try the SD version of the channels you're not getting until it's resolved (DSJR vs DSJRHD)

In my case I get

103(ca)

1-8 all above 90

9-16 above 90.. 89..90

17-24 all above 90

25-32 all n/a

103(cb)

1-8 all above 90

9-16 all abocve 90 n/a...n/a

17-24 all n/a

25-32 all n/a

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a lot of folks hide the SD duplicates. I switch to SD if weather interferes with my HD channels...

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If you are keen on doing this yourself, there is a 3rd aspect to the alignment is the rotation or twist of the dish. getting all 3 right for all the birds you need can be tricky.

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thanks Gary. I think I’m going to look into replacing the LNB. Just wish I knew what would cause it to go bad so I can try and prevent it in the future. My installer ran 140’ of cable from the dish all the way to the other end of our house and back through the crawl space to our genie even though I told him where a previous installation cut that in half using an existing hole in our foundation. I wasn’t comfortable with that much cable so I disconnected that and used the run from the previous owners install. It all looked good and I used new connectors. May have to check it again but nothing ever gets near the cable and all appears grounded properly. Also, it worked fine until a couple weeks ago. I didn’t mess with the rotation because that all seemed locked down pretty good.

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The OP's problem has nothing to do with "spot beams".

Missing all of the odd or even transponders on a satellite is usually caused by a dish/LNB problem.

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5 years ago

@Reajr

Your problem has nothing to do with alignment or grounding.

It's most likely and dish/LNB problem, especially if resetting the Genie doesn't fix it.

If swapping the LNB doesn't fix it, then it's likely a defective Genie tuner.

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appreciate it. I posted here to figure out my next move. Thanks so much for your time and expertise!

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have any recommendations for LNB retailers??

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Amazon and Solid Signal carry dish LNB assemblies. Just be sure to get the same model as your current dish.

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5 years ago

UPDATE: Received what appears to be a new LNB I got on Amazon for $13 today. Swapped it out in 5 minutes and everything is back to normal. Thanks so much for the help! Still wish I knew what would cause the LNB to go bad? I saw something about repairing LNB’s...is it worth getting into or should I just toss the old one?

Now if I could just get the “watch from the beginning” to work...

Thanks again!!!

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Very nice on your own troubleshooting. Yeah $13 LNB is much better than a $99 service call. Protection plan is nice for some, but with how little it should be used it tends to cost more in the long run, especially if you are more comfortable with some DIY solutions.

As for what caused the LNB to go bad, that could be anything when it comes to electronics (manufacture defect, later damage, power surge, etc.). Watch from beginning goes through internet, just like the rest of On Demand. What may cause issue is anything that hogs the internet, even temporarily, as unlike dedicated streaming services the On Demand does not get the program downscalled to adjust for bandwidth having a hiccup. On Demand content is delivered in 100% the resolution it was recorded as. Beyond that, the Genie-2 (HS17) is an iffy design still working out some post launch bugs. Least you have it connected directly by Ethernet. You might check your router's QoS options to see about perhaps giving DirecTV some priority to reduce chance of fighting the moment to moment bandwidth.

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for $13, that's a great repair. especially at that price, I'd not try for repair. in addition to the quality of the components/labor, it's got to be well sealed against the weather for years (otherwise another mysterious failure.)

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Glad to help!

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