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Tuesday, September 6th, 2011 4:16 AM

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Using a wireless bridge to eliminate running cat5

I am still fighting two HR24 DVR's that are whole home networked.  They are connected by a gaming bridge device (Dlink Dap-1522 device).  The two DVR's will play each others records no problem. They will communicate with the Direct TV computers as I am charged for pay per view movies.  The bridge will receive 15meg downloads and 7meg out.  This is within acceptable speeds for not using a cat5 cable to mother router.  What I find frustrating is the DVR's fail the internet connection test.  VOD will not work and apps will not load.  The installers, network team and supervisor are confused and I was told they were going to get an engineer to contact me, still waiting.   I have been in networking long enough to know that the bridge is no different than a cable, unless Direct has something hidden that I am not seeing.  IF so please spill it, because this setup works if I run a 100' cable down the hallway to get this working.  The bridge is nothing less than simulating a piece of cable.  Please advise.  Thanks,

ACE - Professor

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14 years ago

Why not do away with the wireless bridge and do a whole connected home wireless Deca. That will solve your problem.

 

This is what you need contact D* and setup an install - Or order it and install it yourself.  Your Hr24's have an internal deca so hook a rg6 to the wireless deca and it talk to all the HR24's over the RG6 -the wired deca can also be used if your router/cable modem is close to your SWIM Spliter.

 

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=CCK-W&d=DIRECTV-CCK-W-Wireless-DECA-Cinema-Connection-Kit-%28CCK-W%29

Tutor

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14 years ago

Thanks, and I appreciate your suggestion. It is to my understanding that swim deca upgrade is to eliminate the second rg cable.  Most homes are only gifted one per room.  Naturally this would help out in the install process, especially in the hotter attics.  Talking with local Direct TV folks they only agree, my setup should work.   The Bridge will run Netflix fine........   I still think there is something I am missing here. 

ACE - Sage

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14 years ago

SWM = Single Wire Multiswitch.  Enables one coax cable per room, even for rooms with dual tuner HD DVRs.

DECA = DirecTV Ethernet over Coax technology to enable Whole Home DVR networking between HD DVRs and HD Receivers using satellite coax.

ACE - Professor

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14 years ago

Quote: Originally Posted by kipthomas

Thanks, and I appreciate your suggestion. It is to my understanding that swim deca upgrade is to eliminate the second rg cable. Most homes are only gifted one per room. Naturally this would help out in the install process, especially in the hotter attics. Talking with local Direct TV folks they only agree, my setup should work. The Bridge will run Netflix fine........ I still think there is something I am missing here.


D* VOD is not a Streaming Service--that is the big difference--It is like your PC it must first download a file to a Hard drive before it can be opened . Wireless may work and it also may NOT depending on a lot of things like your surrounding, where your file is located (not all Servers) are located in the same place and wireless can time out vrs a wired handshake.

 

If you upgrade to SWIM you would not need a wireless bridge or cat 5 running to each receiver-you have Rg6 in every TV room now that what the deca would use to access the internet as well. ending your trouble with VOD.

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14 years ago

Thanks for responding, if it were as easy to fish cable in the particular location, I would do so.   That is why the wireless bridge is needed.  In theory, VOD should be more stable than Netflix and I am not having any issues with direct streaming Netflix.  Direct TV installers agree the upgrade should not be needed in this particular install.  If the two receivers can play each others recordings flawless sharing the connection on the bridge, which tells me the switch/bridge is good.  If I connect a laptop to the bridge and get more than acceptable speeds (load tested because I am a network engineer and this is on a Cox business account) there is something not making sense.  The bridge that connects to a router with a dedicated IP and the firewall is off.  The ports could not be a source of the problem.  I can't believe the boxes are intelligent enough to know they are on a wireless bridge? 

ACE - Sage

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14 years ago

Note that DECA networking uses the EXISTING satellite coax cables to provided the highest performance network for Whole Home DVR sharing.  Wireless networking (802.11) is simply not up to the task.   You can't really compare with Netflix because DirecTV's sharing is full quality HD resolution, not downscaled like Netflx to adjust for network bandwidth.  As an early wireless LAN tester of multiroom viewing (WHDVR), I can tell you it's simply not reliable.

Professor

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14 years ago

kipthomas,

 

User litzdog911 is spot on. If you wish to use Whole Home DVR service the DirecTV-installed DECA-based network is your most viable option. The installer "can" connect the DECA network cloud to your router using wireless for Internet access to CinemaPlus On Demand and for the Media Share & DirecTV2PC network features but even that wireless connectivity is discouraged unless absolutely necessary. The better solution would be to run coax from the DECA network to where your router is located and connect directly to the router. Wireless, as eluded to by user litzdog911 just isn't up to the task of handling HD content.

Guru

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14 years ago

Ok, I also do not see in your main post, exectly how is your reciever connected to the wireles bridge? You say you run a cat5 down the hall and all works great, but remove the cat 5 from the reciever and now how do you try to connect?  As has been stated the last 2-3 posts, connecting by way of the decca is the easyest, but then there is a nonsupported wireless also.  Let us know how you are trying to connect.

Tutor

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14 years ago

OK, it now works.  It is stable and fast.  It appears the bridge and router did not like the IP address in the DVR's.  I manually changed the IP's and used a different router (using wep, but faster because of less encryption to process)  to eliminate if the router may have been a source of problems, but I think it was the IP's.  The DNS in the advance setup took on the gateway IP too, I did not remove this as it was functioning well.  Thanks all for the suggestions, the Cat 5 and the download speeds that I get here should have no problems downloading HD content.  This system setup works but may not be ideal for some.  I understand the suggested set-ups, but the routing of a additional cable was not an option the way the house studs are located and dealing with an insulated wall.  Thanks again and hope this post may help others. 

ACE - Sage

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46.4K Messages

14 years ago

Quote: Originally Posted by kipthomas 

... I understand the suggested set-ups, but the routing of a additional cable was not an option the way the house studs are located and dealing with an insulated wall.  Thanks again and hope this post may help others. 


Glad to hear you got it working.  Just a note that there is NO additional coax cable required to use DECA coax networking for Whole Home DVR sharing.  If you find that the wireless networking is not working well for WHDVR sharing, you can easily move to DECA networking using the existing satellite coax.  

Contributor

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8 years ago

Answer in maybe more understandable jargon would be much appreciated

ACE - Expert

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8 years ago

@Notecjab

The most recent post before you was in 2011. If you need help with anything, even similar, I would suggest starting a new thread as some things may have changed over that many years.


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